S3, E13: Essential Insights for Summer 2024 Travel

In this week's episode of Unpacked, the talented team at Dinogo reveals exciting summer travel destinations and crucial steps you should take now for an unforgettable summer.

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Tim Chester: Absolutely. My main challenge is remembering to add it to my reservation. I often forget, and when you reach the airport, it can complicate things depending on the situation.

Mark Ellwood: How do you encourage your kids to do that? It seems like those of you with children have someone to assign tasks to.

Aislyn Greene, host: Training is essential; you really need to train them well.

Mark: It's like having your own personal TaskRabbit at home. By the way, how old is your oldest child?

Tim: Eight years old.

Mark: That's great! They’re probably more tech-savvy than we are.

Tim: Definitely a unique age, for sure.

Mark: There’s a way to do it—before you head out of town, just ask, "Have you completed all our paperwork?"

Aislyn: Absolutely.

Aislyn: I’m Aislyn Greene, and you’re listening to Unpacked, the podcast that dives into a challenging travel topic every week. This week, we're not actually offering advice on how to train your kids to handle important travel documents, although that could be a topic for a future episode. Joining me today are Dinogo’s amazing destination team. These three individuals spend their days—and likely nights—crafting and refining stories about where we should travel next. Together, we’re looking ahead to summer. What are their insights for the season? What steps should you take now to prepare, and what destinations should be on your radar?

Welcome back to Unpacked. Here’s to another year of discussing summer travel! I’d like to start with a brief introduction round. Please share your full name and your role.

Chloe Arrojado: Hello, everyone. I’m Chloe, the associate editor for destinations, and I often collaborate with Mark. Currently, I’m here with Aislyn and Tim in this lovely loft in Toronto.

Mark: I’m Mark Ellwood, and each month, Chloe and I collaborate to inspire you with travel destinations you should consider visiting.

Tim: And I’m the last one to introduce myself. I’m Tim Chester, deputy editor at Dinogo, primarily focused on destination inspiration.

Aislyn: We convened last year to discuss travel options for summer 2023; it was quite a chaotic year. If you had a crystal ball, what do you predict summer 2024 will look like for travel?

Mark: Last summer saw peak travel destinations. When we think of summer, we picture Italy and France, where hotel prices reached all-time highs. In conversations I’ve had over the past six weeks with people in those areas, the consensus has been, "Meh, it’s a bit softer now." In that regard, travel had become frenzied, increasingly expensive. Given the extreme weather in Europe last summer, which made some reconsider their plans, I believe we’ll see a slight softening in prices this summer—not a complete bargain, but hopefully less shocking than before.

Bookings for Greece have noticeably declined. If you were aiming for a five-star hotel in July and August in top Mediterranean locations like the Côte d’Azur, Mykonos, or Capri, rates were typically around €2,000 per night for a room.

Aislyn: Wow.

Mark: Regardless of whether you can afford it, many people don’t see that as good value. There seems to be some pushback, and in many ways, the hotels may have brought this on themselves.

Aislyn: Alright, how do you think the Paris Olympics will affect this situation?

Mark: I’ve covered the last two Olympics, and being there is quite an experience. In developed countries, the Olympics often push locals out of the city. For instance, London became a ghost town because people were warned, "It will be chaotic. The traffic will be a nightmare." In reality, it was fantastic, but I suspect Paris will follow a similar pattern where locals might flee, only to regret not staying. I think there will be some last-minute deals because Paris might end up being quieter than expected.

Tim: Absolutely, I recall how it was during the London Olympics. Leading up to it, the sentiment was quite negative, with everyone saying, "It’s too expensive. It’s bound to be a disaster." But once it began, the national mood shifted dramatically. People were smiling, chatting on the tube, and being friendly for a whole month.

Mark: It’s quite unsettling, isn’t it?

Tim: Definitely. We can only manage it for a few weeks before it’s back to normal. So, I wouldn't plan a trip just for the Olympics, but having experienced a city that hosted it, I think it’s a fantastic event to witness.

Aislyn: Absolutely. A good reason to visit. So, Tim and Chloe, what are your travel predictions for this summer?

Chloe: I find it fascinating what Mark mentioned about how the summer hype around popular destinations is starting to deter travelers. I was collaborating with Erica Firpo on determining the best time to visit Italy, and it seems that the anticipation of overcrowding is pushing people toward shoulder seasons. I asked Erica about spring, and she said, "There’s no longer a spring shoulder season." Rome is already seeing an influx of visitors in spring. So, it’s really just about fall now.

Mark: To add to that, Chloe, it's interesting to note that the Italian lakes used to have a very distinct seasonality. When I worked as a tour guide in Italy, the lakes were primarily busy in late spring and early summer. Passalacqua, a hotel everyone knows, is consistently dubbed the world’s best. The owner is building an indoor pool to stay open all year. Many resorts in the lakes, which were very seasonal, are now trying to adapt for the future since summer might not be as attractive.

Tim: It's still going to be crowded, right? The popular spots will remain busy, and that's not changing.

Chloe: Exactly. I think traveling in the off-season is more appealing for those who have visited before and want to return. For many, like those who dream of seeing the Colosseum, crowds won't dissuade them.

Mark: That's a great point. I agree; anyone who hasn’t visited Venice yet likely doesn't want to go in winter. However, when you visit a heavily trafficked spot during peak season, you tend to check off the main attractions, but there are always quieter neighborhoods. In Venice, for example, you can explore Cannaregio or Dorsoduro. In Rome, Monti is a less busy option where you can enjoy a more tranquil experience. So, I wouldn’t discourage anyone from traveling during peak season; there are still ways to have an enjoyable visit. Wanting to see Rome in July isn’t wrong—you just need to navigate a bit differently, going left when everyone else goes right.

Aislyn: I think we should dive into discussing destinations overall. Where would you recommend people go this summer?

Chloe: Personally, I'll be in Italy from April to the end of July, specifically in Bologna. I'm keen to experience Italy on a smaller scale, attending local food festivals. Culinary travel is trending, as many are eager to connect with the culture through food. Additionally, I noticed American airlines like Delta are launching routes from the U.S. to Naples, making it easier to access smaller towns in Europe. I believe these charming spots will continue to draw travelers, even if they're not the main hubs.

Tim: In the current trend of travel alternatives, I'd recommend bypassing Tuscany in favor of Umbria if you're in Italy. I had a fantastic experience there a few years back, enjoying the rolling hills, fine wine, and all the perks of the nearby regions, but with far fewer crowds.

Mark: I spent every summer in Versilia, which is on the Tuscan coast. It's far superior to Capri and the Amalfi Coast. I can't fathom why anyone would choose a pebbly beach packed with day-trippers when you could relax on a beautiful beach similar to the Jersey Shore, with a beach club that serves you wine and is just a short walk from your luxurious hotel. You could even cycle around the flat area like a chic bohemian in Forte dei Marmi or Viareggio. Versilia is where my heart lies in Italy.

Aislyn: Last year, Idaho sponsored our podcast, and this year, it seems Italy is taking the spotlight. [Laughter]

Mark: Now, let me offer some suggestions beyond Europe. Our main audience is in the Northern Hemisphere, but remember, it's winter in the Southern Hemisphere right now. This is the ideal time for sDinogoi; you'll find wide-open landscapes and animals gathering at watering holes. I was recently in Fiji at Como Laucala. Their winter in the southern South Pacific is perfection—ideal weather and a picture-perfect desert island vibe. Go during the winter for no humidity and perfect conditions. Tasmania is also worth a visit.

In Tasmania, there's a unique museum built by a rather eccentric but wealthy local man who created it without consulting museum experts. He even forgot to include offices in the design, which are located off-site. It's called Mona and hosts unconventional festivals, one of which is called Dark Mofo. You take a ferry from Hobart to reach it, and it feels like something out of a Bond film, intentionally designed that way. So, keep in mind that during the Southern Hemisphere winter, there are many destinations that shine.

Aislyn: That's wonderful! It's such an unexpected surprise, but in the best way possible.

Mark: I attended the opening about 10 to 12 years ago, and it was an incredible experience. Even the most dedicated Tasmanians might acknowledge that Tasmania wasn’t always seen as a tourism hotspot for Australia. However, the launch of Mona changed everything, turning Tasmania into a delightful foodie destination with a fantastic microclimate, exquisite cuisine, outstanding vineyards, and a truly charming atmosphere of upscale, low-density tourism.

Aislyn: So, where exactly are you headed? Chloe, you mentioned you’ll be in Italy this summer. Tim, I think you have some exciting travel plans lined up as well.

Tim: Yes, I'm heading back to the U.K. for a couple of weeks. While I'm there, I'll leave the kids with their grandparents and then take a quick trip to Belgrade, Serbia, for a few days. I have a friend in the foreign office there, so I'll have a whirlwind visit. I plan to tour all the communist landmarks in a vintage car and check out the amazing food and pub scene. I aim to pack as much as I can into those two days.

Chloe: I was thinking about spending time in Bologna this summer. I'm focusing on some of the lesser-known destinations in Italy, which is the whole idea. But one of my main goals is to stay cool during the summer. Depending on where that takes me, that’ll likely be my primary focus.

Mark: I’d recommend checking out a fascinating insurance company called Sensible Weather. It was founded by a former hedge fund quant who is also a meteorologist. He merged his expertise into this insurance venture that you must purchase as part of a package when booking with a hotel—it's a B2B product, so you can't just renew it separately. They offer guarantees like, if it rains while you're skiing, you'll receive a text saying, “Here’s your money back.”

Recently, they've rolled out an anti-sun policy, partnering with select Mediterranean hotels, ensuring that if it gets too hot, you’ll get your money back.

Aislyn: This leads perfectly into a question I wanted to pose to everyone. Last year, the New York Times ran a piece on the effects of climate change on summer travel, highlighting severe heat waves, wildfires, and floods. How do you suggest travelers prepare for summer trips amid the ongoing climate crisis? Sensible Weather seems like a solid starting point if you have access to it.

Tim: You might consider seeking out “safer destinations,” areas less prone to climate-related emergencies, though it seems those are becoming widespread in various forms, from heavy rain to extreme heat. Scandinavia might be one of the last regions to truly feel these impacts. I particularly enjoyed my visit to Oslo a few years back. Being well-prepared with the right insurance and a solid backup plan is crucial, especially if traveling with kids—look for hotels that offer indoor activities or alternative entertainment options.

Don't put all your hopes on a sunny week at the beach. Also, it’s wise to review long-term weather data for your destination. Just because Greece was in the headlines for wildfires last year doesn’t guarantee another scorching season this year.

Mark: This topic is quite challenging. I’ve spoken with several climate scientists who point out that it’s a misconception to think of Europe as simply getting warmer. What we once termed global warming is now referred to as climate change. The reality is that weather is becoming more erratic and unpredictable. So, while we might not experience another extreme heatwave like last summer in the Mediterranean, be prepared for sudden shifts. You may find that conditions seem fine one moment, and then rain is forecasted for the entire week, which historically might not have been the case. The crucial takeaway is to allow yourself some flexibility. Consider booking only your first few nights and keeping your options open to move if necessary. Be ready for things to deviate from your expectations.

Chloe: I feel like we’re in a bit of a chaotic situation right now. Mark, while you emphasize the importance of flexibility, as a free-spirited traveler, my advice leans more towards planning ahead.

Mark: This feels like a travel version of Freaky Friday, doesn’t it?

Chloe: I know, it really does. My instincts are bracing against this, but having a plan for your day is essential, especially when the temperatures are soaring. Identifying museums or venues with controlled environments can prevent heat exhaustion. I’ve been reflecting on this a lot, especially since I was discussing it with Aislyn and Tim while researching the Paris Olympics and its potential impact on tourist crowds.

I found a fascinating study from 2019 that surveyed individuals who were considering attending the Paris Olympics. Many indicated they would still visit the city despite the event. Interestingly, they planned to skip museums in favor of larger attractions. This highlights a great opportunity to seek out underrated spots, as they may see fewer visitors and provide a more enjoyable experience, especially amid unpredictable weather.

Mark: If you're planning to travel to Europe this summer and are concerned about costs, I recommend using Google Flights. Simply enter your departure airport and set Europe as your destination. This will display a map of Europe showing flight prices to various hubs. You can filter for nonstop flights if you're fortunate enough to live near one, which will help you find the best options. Once in Europe, consider taking trains, budget airlines, or even driving to your final destination.

If you're organizing your summer travel, definitely plan ahead for your flights. For example, if you want to visit Copenhagen, don’t just search for flights there; instead, look at flights to Frankfurt. From there, you can enjoy a pleasant train ride to Copenhagen after spending a couple of nights in Frankfurt.

Tim: That’s really insightful. I've learned that the more time you have between deciding to travel and actually booking your tickets, the better your chances of finding a good deal. I've been tracking ticket prices for a family of five flying from L.A. to the U.K., and I've seen prices surge from $4,500 to $7,000 over that period. It’s fascinating how frequently these prices can change.

On the topic of climate travel, I find myself conflicted. Last summer, I spent a night in Cabo, Mexico, just before returning home, while a hurricane was making its way up the coast. I was anxious about whether it would disrupt our return and leave us stranded in an overpriced hotel for extra nights. I want to ensure that my kids are in safer places, but I also dislike planning from a place of fear, so I'm caught in a dilemma.

Mark: Tim, I think your concerns are valid. I recall having to attend a wedding in the Caribbean just before hurricanes Maria and Elena hit. When you see a hurricane forming, it's wise to reconsider traveling to its projected path. It doesn’t show fear; it demonstrates prudence. If you end up stranded, you could burden local resources, so it’s smart to think, 'I don’t want to add to the challenges they’re facing.' I believe you’re being too hard on yourself for having these thoughts.

Aislyn: I love that our group seems to be all about planning this year! Last year, it felt more like a debate between Chloe and Mark—one advocating for spontaneity and the other for meticulous planning. Since you have your summers all figured out, are there any other logistical tips you think travelers should consider right now? Like, ensuring your passport is up to date or booking flights before prices soar in the next few months?

Mark: I just renewed my U.S. passport because it was full, and I used ItsEasy, a visa expediting service I highly recommend. They can also expedite your passport, and while there’s a fee involved, it’s worth it for the peace of mind. Dealing with government processes can be frustrating, so having someone to help you navigate it is invaluable. I didn't want to send my passport off and end up in limbo with no updates. Instead, I paid $200 to ensure it would be back in 10 days, with them ready to tackle any issues that might arise. If you're in a similar situation, consider other visa expeditors like CIBT; they’re worth every penny to avoid sleepless nights.

Aislyn: We’ll include links to some of those services in the show notes. That’s a fantastic tip!

Tim: If you're traveling internationally, definitely consider signing up for Global Entry if you can. It costs around $100 for five years and really speeds up the process. I love coming back to LAX now without needing to speak to anyone. In the past, I’d be taken into a separate room for questioning and left waiting. Yes, it uses facial recognition, which feels a bit invasive, but you can just breeze through. Getting the interview can take a while, though, so I used an app called Appointment Scanner. It sent me text alerts when someone canceled their Global Entry interview slot, allowing me to grab an opening the next day instead of waiting six months. It only cost $29 for a month of alerts.

Mark: Also, Global Entry now allows interviews upon arrival. When many of us first started using it, the logistics were more complicated. Now, since it’s a revenue stream for them, they’ve streamlined the process, making it easier for travelers to arrive and get through—even if it means taking a less-than-flattering jet-lagged photo!

It may affect your record, but it still processes quickly.

Aislyn: Does anyone here use Clear alongside TSA PreCheck?

Tim: No.

Mark: My Clear membership comes complimentary with my Delta status. It's important to note that Clear really shines at major hub airports. For instance, in a place like Atlanta, having TSA PreCheck is standard, but when you combine it with Clear, you get through even faster. Delta is currently testing a digital ID system, which is incredible because it's a form of biometric identification. At JFK and LaGuardia, you can use your digital ID to get ahead of Clear, meaning there’s now a level above Clear. Plus, I didn’t have to pay anything extra for it.

Aislyn: So now with TSA PreCheck, you'll notice two different types of folks cutting in front of you! [laughs]

Mark: Uh, I'll be one of those people, and I apologize ahead of time. Feel free to say hi if you spot me.

Chloe: I’ll be watching with my fists clenched.

Tim: Mark, I’m curious—do you get into the points and miles game? Any summer travel tips on that?

Mark: I do dabble in the points and miles game, but not in the way you might think. It’s like there are professional tennis players and then there are those who just hit a ball around at the beach.

I’m definitely more of the beach player because, honestly, life is too short to stress over points and miles. I believe the key is to realize that airline miles are mostly worthless and intentionally tricky to use. In contrast, credit card points are like stem cell points. The AmEx and Chase Ultimate Rewards points are genuinely valuable since you can transfer them to various programs as needed, often with added bonuses.

By doing this, you’ll gain an additional 25 percent value. Plus, have an expert handle the booking for you. I personally use Award Magic, but there are many out there. You can find them on various points-focused websites and Twitter accounts. I really like David [Grossman’s] MilesTalk, as he offers great recommendations. Just say, “Here’s $150, here are my points, get me the best deal possible.”

Aislyn: It’s a smart business concept because many of us gather these points, yet I can’t— I don’t want to be that person, but I really do want to make the most of my points. So that’s a fantastic idea. Now, I’d love to steer the conversation back to events. We touched on the Paris Olympics and some travel pros and cons related to that. Does anyone have anything else to add?

Tim: One thought regarding the Paris Olympics is that if you’re attending, consider extending your stay afterwards, or just arriving after the event. You’ll benefit from the new infrastructure and investments while avoiding the crowd.

Mark: The first Olympics I covered as a journalist was Sochi. I got there a couple of days before the Games started, as I planned to stay the entire time. I learned from seasoned pros that they avoid the first week entirely. That’s when everything is being sorted out. Instead of being there for the opening ceremony, they aim for the finals and the closing ceremony. The veterans always plan to arrive after the initial chaos.

Aislyn: That’s great! Another major event sweeping the globe is none other than Taylor Swift. We’ve seen her impact on local economies. Any Swifties in the house? Are you traveling for any events? Do you have tips for navigating this kind of travel? I know the focus is not on the city but rather on the event or the artist.

Chloe: My sister is a huge Swiftie. She ranked in the top 0.1 percent of Taylor Swift listeners on Spotify, which is quite an achievement! She's traveling to Miami for the concert. Like you mentioned, it really is about traveling for a person. With an event as monumental as Taylor Swift, I’d prioritize that. If you want to explore the destination, plan to arrive a bit earlier or stay a few days after, because the area will be packed during the event.

I’ve definitely traveled for concerts, even internationally for various music festivals. Arriving a day in advance has always helped me. Avoid showing up on the day of the event; it’s crucial to get familiar with the area. Each venue has its own rules about what you can bring, so understanding the layout and transportation options is key. Many people think they can just arrive and go to the concert that night, only to realize they should have prepared better.

Mark: I have a friend who flew to Brazil for a Taylor Swift concert, but the concert got canceled. As Chloe said, it’s essential to build in extra time. Much like a cruise, the concert won’t wait for you if your flight is delayed. Aim to arrive the day before. Additionally, plan for some time after the event. My friend was lucky to have a few extra days; otherwise, if they had flown out right after, they would have ended up with refunds on their tickets and a disappointing trip.

Tim: Chloe, did you mention that some fans are traveling just to be in the same city as Taylor Swift, even without tickets? They want to soak in the atmosphere like we do at sports events. I’d never heard of that before.

Chloe: I think that might’ve been someone else who said that.

Aislyn: Maybe you just imagined it, Tim. Or it could be the next big trend on the horizon.

Mark: I’d love to hear from anyone who’s actually doing this. I'm curious if you’ve found ticket prices too steep but still want to soak in the Taylor vibes. Is that a thing? I can't help but feel a bit foolish for not getting tickets to see Taylor Swift. Not that I'm a massive Swiftie—though I do enjoy her music—but it seems like a significant cultural event. It’s not often that something in pop culture has the kind of impact that Taylor Swift does right now. I feel like I'm missing out on something meaningful.

Aislyn: Living in the Bay Area, I really witnessed the buzz. One night, we were approaching the highway, and there was a long line of fans dressed to the nines in sequins, the full Swiftie look. They were waiting for a bus headed south, but a local bar had organized an event for those dressed up. You could join in the fun and dress up without actually attending the concert. So, there might be a valid argument for this.

Mark: It’s a delightful phenomenon; there are certainly worse things happening in the world. I think about how, among all the things that could dominate our culture, having Taylor Swift as a benign cultural influence isn’t so bad.

Tim: True. Depending on who she endorses for votes, we’ll have to consider that too.

Chloe: [chuckles] Absolutely! Just look at the influence she had during the Super Bowl—everyone suddenly got into football. I wouldn’t be surprised if many fans are traveling to soak up the Swiftie vibe.

Tim: I’ve usually been against visiting places during major events, like New Orleans during Mardi Gras, because it just doesn’t feel like the city in its true form. But this is a different scenario; it’s a celebration, after all, and a wonderfully joyful way to travel.

Aislyn: Exactly! A lot of our hesitation about event travel comes from the crowds and the logistics. But there’s something truly special about being in a city where everyone is united in a shared experience. It’s really about navigating the journey, not just the event itself—because let’s face it, Mardi Gras is phenomenal.

What about any new travel options or flights that might be popping up for summer travelers?

Mark: I’m about to book a JetBlue flight from New York to Edinburgh, and I think that’s a game-changer. I’m thrilled that JetBlue is offering this. I’ll be using my Mint certificates to snag some comfy seats. It’s a lovely option, though I must say, the Scottish countryside in summer can be quite the nightmare—full of midges ready to feast on you! But the cities are absolutely charming.

Tim: Edinburgh truly comes alive in August with a variety of festivals—books, comedy, drama—you name it! It's an exciting time to experience the city.

Mark: Let me stress one thing: if you haven't picked up AirTags or any similar tracking device for your luggage before the summer travel rush, do it! Even cheaper alternatives from places like the Dollar Store can be invaluable. They ease the anxiety of checking bags. Imagine being able to tell lost property services exactly where your bag is; it makes a huge difference.

Aislyn: I have a couple more questions. We didn’t really discuss domestic travel—like, American travelers or cruises. Do you have any recommendations or things you’re looking forward to in those areas?

Mark: This summer, I’ll be embarking on a Windstar cruise through French Polynesia, which I absolutely adore. Just a heads-up: steer clear of Bora Bora; it can feel like a honeymoon factory. The rest of French Polynesia is gorgeous, though. Interestingly, part of the Olympics will be held there because, if you want to surf, you can’t do that in Paris, but you can on Tahiti-Iti, which is a beautiful, lesser-known part of the main island. It's my favorite spot in French Polynesia.

Tim: For domestic travel, I’d highly recommend San Diego. The weather there is usually fantastic—though I hope I'm not jinxing it by saying that! I love kayaking in the sea caves and watching leopard sharks in the La Jolla area. Plus, it’s recognized as a design capital this year, alongside Tijuana, making it a great place for architecture lovers and events. If you’re looking to stay local, that would be my top choice.

Aislyn: What are your thoughts on traveling for events like Comic-Con?

Tim: Isn’t that something you’re planning to do, Mark? I thought I heard you mention it...?

Mark: Well, you haven't truly seen me until you've witnessed me in spandex! Even though I’m not particularly into superhero films, I find immense joy in watching people embrace their true selves at Comic-Con. It’s like the Las Vegas of conventions—where everyone gets to unleash their inner geek. It must be an absolute blast, even if you’re surrounded by folks in costumes you can’t quite identify!

Aislyn: I must share that many years ago, I attended a convention for Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Star Trek, driven by my love for Buffy. Meeting my heroes was a surreal experience! It was incredible to see everyone so dedicated to their characters and passions.

Tim: I absolutely love that!

Mark: It's easy to mock, but honestly—finding joy through others is truly wonderful.

Aislyn: How can you possibly be cynical about that? We really need this kind of positivity this year.

Tim: Absolutely. Especially considering how divisive the end of the year might get—let’s celebrate Taylor Swift, Buffy, the Olympics, and sailing!

Chloe: Exactly!

Aislyn: In essence, we're encouraging everyone to travel to these wild events. That’s our message—embrace joy!

Mark: Speaking of joy, I must introduce a touch of sadness as I have to take my leave.

Aislyn: A lovely note to conclude on—more joy! Thank you all for joining today; it’s been a pleasure.

Mark: Thanks! I’ll catch you at the Taylor Swift concert. I really should get those tickets.

Tim: I'll see you there—spandex and all.

Aislyn: So, are you planning to travel for any major events like Taylor Swift or Comic-Con this season? Let us know! We’ll provide links to Award Magic, the points resource Mark mentioned, and Dinogo’s summer travel suggestions in the show notes.

In the show notes, you’ll find a link to our episode discussing travel insurance, featuring Sensible Weather, along with social media profiles for Mark, Tim, and Chloe so you can follow their summer adventures. We’ll catch you next week!

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