S2, E18: It’s Never Too Late to Plan Your Summer Getaways—Here’s How to Start.

Summer is here! This might mean embarking on a road trip, planning an epic overseas adventure, or juggling summer camps and family schedules. No matter your plans—or where you stand in the process—this week’s episode of Unpacked has insights for you. Dinogo’s fantastic destination team explores flight bargains, the perks of traveling during shoulder season, escaping the summer heat (and crowds) in Europe, tips for last-minute planners, and much more.

Transcript

Mark Ellwood, writer: I apologize. I got quite sunburned yesterday, so I feel like I resemble Freddy Krueger after a brief makeup session, so I’m sorry about that.

Aislyn Greene, host and moderator: I can’t see it at all. You just have a lovely, summer glow.

Mark: Great!

Chloe Arrojado, associate editor, destinations: It ties in perfectly with a summer vibe, right?

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Aislyn (episode intro): I’m Aislyn Greene, and you’re listening to Unpacked, the podcast that explores a challenging travel topic each week. This week, we’re diving into everyone’s favorite subject: summer travel.

Whether you’ve been preparing for ages or just getting started, we’ve got your back. I chatted with our amazing destination team at Dinogo and the freelance writer responsible for our monthly Where to Go columns. They offer tips on maximizing your budget, finding cool spots in Europe to beat the heat (and the crowds), tackling the frustrations of flying, and much more. Just kidding—it’s not that terrible. But definitely consider getting that TSA PreCheck. Alright, let’s jump in.

Aislyn (in conversation): Hello everyone, welcome to Unpacked. Let’s kick things off by introducing ourselves, sharing our connection to Dinogo, and where we’re dialing in from today. We’ve got someone in a pretty remarkable location! Who wants to start?

Mark: Sure! I’m Mark, Mark Ellwood. I work with Dinogo monthly, seeking out the best destinations for that month worldwide. Right now, I’m in Baja California for the first time, exploring the four Capes to get a better sense of their unique offerings instead of them being grouped together.

I feel really fortunate. I’m indulging in way too much Mexican cuisine, and it’s a bit early for tequila, but I’m teetering right on that edge.

Aislyn: Hold on, did you have tequila before we started? That’s the burning question.

Mark: Well, I’m not technically on vacation. If I were, I might have indulged in a breakfast margarita, but who’s keeping score, right?

Aislyn: Not us! That sounds fantastic.

Tim Chester, deputy editor: It’s a full hour, so I hope you have one nearby at least.

Aislyn: And now we have the wonderful Chloe Arrojado. Chloe, what’s your situation?

Chloe: I’m—definitely not in an adventurous spot. I’m in Charlotte, North Carolina, with my parents. That’s in the Southeast U.S. I’ve been with Dinogo for just over a year now, serving as the associate editor for destinations.

Mark: Awesome.

Aislyn: Great! And finally, we have Tim Chester.

Tim: Yes! I’m a deputy editor at Dinogo, located in Southern California, specifically in Thousand Oaks, just north of L.A. I’ll be celebrating five years with Dinogo next month.

Chloe: Wow!

Aislyn: Five years is incredible. You all are our fantastic destination team.

Aislyn: Oh, and I should mention—I’m Aislyn, the associate director of podcasts here at Dinogo, calling in from sunny Sausalito. You might hear some honking geese in the background; hopefully, they won't be too distracting!

So, personally, where is everyone with their summer travel plans? Are we officially in summer yet? Not quite, right? We still have to wait until June.

Tim: I thought summer ran from Memorial Day to Labor Day.

Aislyn: Right, okay.

Tim: Is that actually considered summer?

Mark: This is where I start to feel anxious. I’m a planner, and once it gets warm, I feel like it’s summer and I should have my plans in place, but I haven’t booked anything yet. Looking at airfare—especially to Europe, which is such a beautiful summer destination—makes me nervous. I keep thinking if I just refresh the page, the prices will somehow drop. I think I’m stuck in a planning paralysis, which we’ll probably discuss further.

Aislyn: Absolutely! How about you two: Tim? Chloe?

Chloe: Sure! I can share my summer travel planning status. I'm quite the opposite of Mark—I’m not much of a planner. Right now, I’m just starting to chat with my friends about trips for mid to late June. I’m the one refreshing flight prices and hoping they drop.

I like to leave things to the last minute. I know for sure I’ll be heading to New York for about a week or two in early June, but we’re considering a trip to Mexico for mid to late June. Mark, please pray for me! If you have any tips, I’d really appreciate it.

Mark: Interestingly, flights to Mexico are incredibly affordable right now. I played around with some options and booked a nonstop JetBlue flight from New York to Baja for just $500, only two weeks out—that's amazing! However, anything to Europe, even London, which usually has the best starting prices, is triple what you'd expect. So yes, definitely go to Mexico, and the weather will be perfect when you get there.

Chloe: Great to hear it’s not too late for me! There’s still hope for snagging some good deals on flights.

Tim: Mark, in response to what you mentioned about booking summer flights, we recently published a piece where our travel news editor, Michelle Baran, spoke with Katie Nastro from Going.com about the best times to purchase tickets. She suggested looking for the Goldilocks window—not too early, not too late—because that's when you're most likely to find a good deal. For domestic flights, the recommendation is to book between one to three months before departure, or three to seven months in advance for peak summer season, which means that window has already passed for this year. For international flights, aim for two to eight months ahead for off-peak travel, and four to ten months for peak times.

Mark: However, if you find yourself in a pinch, one major tip—Tim and I both aren't originally from the U.S., so this is more familiar for us—is that in Europe, purchasing flight and hotel packages is quite common. Americans don't usually think this way. Check the vacation sections on airline websites, like Delta Vacations or American Airlines Vacations, and look for bundled deals. The pricing structure for seats allocated for hotel packages doesn't fluctuate in the same way as standard flight prices.

So, if you're scrambling for last-minute tickets during peak season, you might discover that even if you don't need the hotel, the package could end up being cheaper than booking just the flight alone. It's a clever workaround if you’re thinking, 'How can I get a reasonable flight?' You’d be surprised at the little secrets available.

Chloe: I would never have considered that! My instinct is that any bundled deal for a flight and hotel would be pricier than booking everything separately. I always think, if it's easier to book this way, how could it possibly be cheaper?

Tim: That’s fascinating because I have a similar reaction. Whenever I use Expedia, it automatically takes me to the flights plus hotel option, and I always just click on ‘I only want a flight.’ I’ve never thought about it like that.

Mark: I highly recommend booking directly through the airlines for a variety of reasons. Just remember to go through the airlines.

Chloe: I also wanted to ask about the deals you’ve managed to snag.

Mark: That's an excellent question! I often share this advice, especially around holidays like Thanksgiving when many people are traveling home. A useful hack for flights during peak times, like the Fourth of July, is to consider that if you don't need a hotel room, it doesn't matter whether you use it or not. You can even use resale apps to sell your hotel room, potentially offsetting the cost of your flight. While you won’t get the full price back for the hotel room, you can legally resell a non-refundable booking, which might help reduce your overall expenses. Keep that in mind!

Aislyn: That’s an excellent tip! I think like Tim and Chloe, I’ve always thought to avoid bundles. So, thank you for that. Tim, would you like to share anything about your own summer travel plans?

Tim: Sure! I’ve got two things lined up. One is a trip to Legoland for a birthday celebration. The other is a big family gathering for the Fourth of July in Cambria on the Central Coast, which I absolutely love. It’s a charming little town located halfway between San Francisco and Los Angeles, with a population of just a couple of thousand. They call it ‘Where the Pines Meet the Sea,’ and it’s a stunning spot on the Central Coast.

Yeah, we might head to Mexico, but I haven't really started planning that yet. We usually get caught up with summer camp schedules and tend to travel outside of summer.

Aislyn: Exactly! There are many reasons people often skip summer travel or choose to go during the shoulder season, which we’ll discuss later. But to get more specific, let’s shift to our Where to Go series. Mark, you write monthly articles for us on where travelers should consider heading next, with the most recent one focused on July. What recommendations do you have for August?

Mark: I’d suggest considering the U.K. for summer travel—not just because I’m partial to it, but because the pound is currently quite weak against other currencies. If you've always dreamed of visiting the U.K. but were put off by costs, now's your chance, as it's around $1.25 to the pound. When I moved to the U.S. two decades ago, it was nearly $2 to the pound. So, if you've ever wanted to go, you could experience the Edinburgh Festival in August, and you'll get fantastic value for your money that you won’t find often.

I'd also recommend heading Down Under, as the Women’s World Cup is happening in both Australia and New Zealand. If you want to be part of the action, Sydney is the place to be, especially since the big World Cup final is scheduled there on August 20th.

Just a heads-up, though: Sydney in August can be quite rainy, and the city doesn’t handle wet weather very well. I know Southern Californians might relate to that. So, prepare yourself for Sydney to be a bit gloomy when it rains, as people tend to get a little down when they can't enjoy the outdoors.

Tim: Mark, I’m curious about your thoughts on visiting places during major festival seasons versus off-peak times. For instance, I personally enjoy New Orleans more when it’s not Mardi Gras, but Edinburgh in August is buzzing with festivals like the book, comedy, and theater festivals, making it such an exciting time to visit.

Mark: You’ve hit on something important. I would avoid places where the festival centers around alcohol, as it often turns into a chaotic experience. With the Edinburgh Festival, sure, you might enjoy a glass of wine at a comedy show, but the main reason for being there is to appreciate the arts, not to forget your visit. Mardi Gras can be quite different, and I don’t know if you’ve experienced Edinburgh during festival time, but it’s a unique vibe.

What’s thrilling about it is the influx of talent from across the globe, usually at very reasonable prices. You never know who you might discover—it’s like witnessing Taylor Swift’s first show at 14 simply because you lived in Nashville. The Edinburgh Festival showcases comedians from all over, and you could very well be in the audience for someone who becomes a star in the next two decades. That’s part of its charm.

Tim: I visited Edinburgh years ago for Rough Guides, and one night, I decided to say yes to every flyer and pitch from performers on the street. It’s the kind of city where you can do that and end up having a fantastic evening.

Mark: Absolutely! That spontaneity is what makes the experience unforgettable.

Aislyn: Awesome! Is there anything else anyone wants to mention about summer destinations for July and August? Any spots from our list that you're particularly excited about?

Chloe: Absolutely! For our July recommendations, we’re highlighting Idaho. I’ve long been an advocate for the summer beauty of Idaho. I even brought it up during my interview with Dinogo, mentioning the fantastic hot springs available there. It’s a perfect state for a road trip! There are plenty of crowd-sourced resources to help find the best hot springs, but often it’s just about chatting with locals and getting their tips for those hidden gems.

Mark: And speaking of Idaho, I must say that Boise is one of my favorite underrated cities in the U.S. Many folks on the East Coast view it as just a dot on the map, but I was blown away by this vibrant college town when I visited for work. It’s incredibly bike-friendly, has easy hiking trails nearby, and boasts a significant Basque community. There’s even a Basque section at Albertson’s! Boise turned out to be an eclectic and fascinating discovery. I truly believe Idaho is a state that deserves more recognition than it gets, so it seems Chloe and I are on the same page—team Idaho all the way!

Aislyn: I actually grew up in Washington and we used to take road trips to Idaho every summer to camp in Coeur d’Alene. Those were some great times!

Mark: We should probably admit that this podcast is sponsored by the Idaho tourism board!

Aislyn: We definitely should!

Mark: Sounds like we might be getting a little kickback here.

Tim: Are there any of those little Basque tapas bars around?

Chloe: Yes, like the pintxos bars?

Tim: Pinxtos, right? So they do exist?

Mark: There are pintxos—everything from red wine to Coca-Cola, which is quite popular in the Basque region. I'm not a huge fan of either, and mixing them was worse than Tom Hanks mixing champagne with Diet Coke. However, you can explore numerous historic restaurants, and the Basque community's roots trace back to significant immigration waves in the late 19th century.

A historian shared with me that Basque people often don't fit the typical Southern European ethnic profile. This has helped them evade some of the racism faced by other Mediterranean immigrants, allowing them to move further west. They also speak a non-Indo-European language, making English acquisition more challenging. As a result, many found work in shepherding, which isn't a traditional Basque occupation, but it suited their solitary nature. Idaho, known for its sheep herding, became an unexpected refuge, leading to a remarkable community.

Aislyn: That's fascinating! Now, shifting our focus away from the U.S. for a moment. Europe, as we discussed earlier, often attracts American travelers during the summer. Given the recent heat waves, what are your thoughts on traveling to Europe in the summer months?

Mark: I can certainly share my thoughts! One common mistake is associating summer in Europe solely with the Mediterranean. Europe is vast! A knowledgeable travel expert I know from Italy often wishes more people would consider Iceland for summer travel. Regardless of the Mediterranean weather, Iceland typically offers a more pleasant climate. As southern Europe heats up, regions like Iceland, the Nordics, and the U.K. remain enjoyable. So, remember that a slight shift north can provide a much better experience. But then again, I am British, so I might be a bit biased!

Chloe: I was just waiting for the Brits to weigh in before sharing my potentially controversial opinion. Who knows?

Aislyn: Tim, are you ready to jump into this discussion?

Tim: Absolutely! Mark, I recall you suggesting the French Riviera for July last year, and I assume you still recommend it for this summer. It can get quite hot, though. My mom used to run a bed-and-breakfast in a town called Flayosc, and I spent many summers around a beautiful area called Les Gorges du Verdon, which is perfect for swimming, pedal boating, and enjoying waterfalls. I really miss visiting that region. While it’s a lovely spot, I personally wouldn’t choose to travel to Europe in the summer—unless absolutely necessary. Spring or autumn is far better, especially in the hotter areas.

Aislyn: Right? The crowds are a big factor. That’s why I usually steer clear of the major tourist hotspots during the summer; they often become overwhelming. Mark, since you mentioned Iceland as a fantastic getaway, do you have any lesser-known destinations you’d recommend for those wanting to avoid the throngs?

Tim: I have a real fondness for Slovenia as an alternative to Croatia. It boasts a mere 30 miles of coastline along the Adriatic. The charming little port town of Piran is there, and it offers some great wines. I haven’t made it to Lake Bled yet, but that’s a must-see. Slovenia would definitely be my top choice. Have either of you been?

Mark: No, but I’ve done a lot of writing about Slovenia and am currently trying to plan a trip there. I’m intrigued by its branding. It presents itself as somewhat Middle European, with that Austrian charm, yet it has a tiny Mediterranean coastline. I’m curious to explore how these cultural elements blend, especially since coastal Croatia feels so distinct from its interior regions. I’m eager to experience that firsthand.

Chloe: I know you mentioned it as a Europe pick for Where to Go Next [live on June 15th]. Before I share my thoughts, Mark, I'd love to hear your take on Malta since you feel so strongly about it.

Aislyn: Hold on, what’s the story behind that? Can you give us a quick overview before we dive in?

Mark: I’m absolutely captivated by Malta. I discovered it while on a Silverseas cruise last August. Initially, I thought it would be just another stop, maybe a dull version of Britain with its egg and chips in the sun. I was completely wrong. Malta is a remarkable blend of Arab, Sicilian, and British cultures, situated at a pivotal point in the Mediterranean for centuries.

One of the earliest signs of human habitation in Europe can be found at the Hypergeum in Malta, which only allows 80 visitors a day. This site, carved from limestone in the Stone Age, showcases incredible history without even the use of tools. Plus, Malta is modernizing its tourism sector, with contemporary art museums and several new hotels opening, moving away from its past reliance on older British package holiday tourists.

Valletta is a must-see; it was constructed almost overnight as a defensive stronghold by the Knights of Malta. Its architecture fuses Ottoman and Venetian styles, built in a grid pattern that helps keep the air flowing. So even in August, while standing in central Valletta, the sea breezes flow through, making it pleasantly cool rather than sweltering.

It's truly a fascinating and quirky place, though it can be difficult to define. Summers here can get scorching, so I'd recommend avoiding August and opting for September instead. It makes for a great late-summer getaway, with stunning outdoor scenery, rocky beaches (no sandy ones, so pack some water shoes), and waters that rival Belize or the Maldives. Also, a shoutout to the Maltese tourism board for this insight!

Aislyn: It seems we have a lot of sponsors for this episode!

Chloe: For my choice of lesser-known European spots, I’d like to highlight Logroño, where I spent about eight or nine months living, just south of the Basque region in northern Spain.

I’ve definitely grown accustomed to the local drink, a mix of red wine and cola, that they enjoy there.

Tim: I need to give that a try!

Chloe: It's called calimocho, and I really enjoy it—probably because I'm a fan of both components!

Mark: What’s to like about it? Seriously! I’d love to hear from anyone listening—please tweet us if you agree with me. This is just wild.

Aislyn: We should definitely run a poll on this!

Mark: Seriously, what’s appealing about mixing red wine with Coca-Cola?

Chloe: I think it’s all about the sweetness and the fizz!

Aislyn: Caffeine!

Chloe: Absolutely, caffeine! There are just so many reasons to love it.

Aislyn: It definitely keeps you alert, that's for sure!

Chloe: Maybe it's a touch of nostalgia for me, but I think many travelers passing through northern Spain are there for the El Camino and similar experiences. However, there’s so much to discover in northern Spain itself, especially with its charming smaller cities and breathtaking scenery.

Aislyn: That’s a fantastic suggestion! Tim, I’d like to circle back to your thoughts on shoulder season travel in Europe. For anyone who hasn’t locked in their summer plans yet and has some flexibility, September could be an ideal time to visit. Do you have any additional insights on traveling during the shoulder season?

Tim: Absolutely! We might have touched on this in the Where to Go podcast, but Yellowstone always comes to mind. In July or August, the visitor count skyrockets to about a million, while in February, it plummets to around 70,000. It’s a completely different world, blanketed in snow, with some roads closed off. The summer experience is just not the same.

Aislyn: Yellowstone really is a prime destination for road trips, especially during the summer. Do you have any favorite road trip locations, either in the U.S. or internationally?

Mark: My favorite road trip has to be in Italy. I spent a lot of my childhood there and have worked in Italy as well. If you head north from Venice, you’ll find yourself in the Veneto region, where all the prosecco in the world originates. The Prosecco Road, which runs between Conegliano and Valdobbiadene, is well-marked and leads you to charming family-run vineyards. You can simply knock on a barn door, and an Italian will greet you with a pour of prosecco—language barrier and all. The scenery is stunning year-round. I've enjoyed this drive in both winter and summer, and it’s the complete opposite of the congested roads along the Amalfi Coast, which feel like Los Angeles traffic but with a beautiful Italian backdrop. Definitely go for the Prosecco Road!

Aislyn: I love that!

Tim: Yes! We recently featured a piece on that whole region by writer Devorah Lev-Tov, and I didn’t realize it was designated a UNESCO World Heritage site in 2019.

Mark: Absolutely! It should have been recognized as a World Heritage site long ago. Napa and Sonoma, while charming, can sometimes feel a bit overly polished. In contrast, Prosecco has a wonderfully unrefined vibe, which is refreshing.

Chloe: There it is again—alcohol and travel!

Mark: If you’ve ever driven in Italy, you must stop at an Autogrill. These roadside service stations are incredible! They serve fast food, but they also have beer taps right at the bar. It’s amusingly counterintuitive to encourage you to grab a beer while filling up your tank.

Chloe: Wow, that sounds amazing! My take might not be as controversial since everyone seems to be against it. With all the recent flight disruptions, I just heard about a friend’s chaotic trip through Europe, hopping from one place to another with airlines messing things up, including lost luggage. That level of stress on a vacation sounds unbearable. We did discuss the South of France on the Where to Go July episode, and we recently released a piece about the exciting happenings there right now.

There are some noteworthy events, like the reopening of the Carlton in March and the 50th anniversary of Picasso’s passing, along with various exhibits. I tend to shy away from crowds, especially in the busy summer months, but with everything happening there, I might just consider a trip after all!

I remember backpacking through bigger cities like Paris and realizing too late that many places in Western Europe shut down during July and August. My friend and I spent a frustrating August in Paris searching for a place to eat, only to settle on the Buffalo Grill.

Mark: Chloe, I should mention that historically, August has been a clever time to visit Paris, as hotel rates tend to be at their lowest. So while you might miss out on some dining options, it’s an affordable time for accommodation. It always felt ironic that during what seemed like peak season, the city was quite empty because the locals were off enjoying the Île de Ré.

Prices have risen a bit since then, but if you're looking to experience Paris on a budget, don’t worry—there are more dining options than just the Buffalo Grill. You can still find some lovely bistros.

Chloe: Absolutely, there are always trade-offs. I have friends debating whether to visit Paris this year, especially with the ongoing protests, and I remind them that the Olympics are next year, too. There’s always something to consider.

Aislyn: It really depends on your priorities. If you're after budget-friendly options, then Paris in August could be ideal. But if you prefer cooler weather and fewer crowds, perhaps September or October would suit you better. Speaking of travel, Chloe, are there any memorable road trips you’d recommend from your area or ones you've particularly enjoyed?

Chloe: Absolutely! Domestically, national parks are fantastic. Aislyn, you’re likely familiar with the North Cascades in summer; the lakes there are a stunning turquoise that I've never encountered before. Hiking through that landscape felt like stepping into the Wizard of Oz, surrounded by such vivid colors. And Tim, in relation to avoiding the overly popular parks, the Great Smoky Mountains are close to me, and they consistently rank as the most visited national park. But summer visits definitely have their charm.

I might be a bit biased, but I believe the Blue Ridge Parkway, which links Shenandoah and the Great Smoky Mountains, is worth exploring. Even if the Smokies are crowded, a drive along the Parkway can lead you to some amazing hikes and camping spots.

Aislyn: Do you think visiting during the week as opposed to the weekend really makes a significant difference, even in summer?

Chloe: Definitely! While school is out, many people still work, so I’ve found that weekdays tend to be much quieter. I just returned from Cashiers, near the border, and during the week, the parking lots were practically empty, and usually busy swimming spots only had a few visitors.

So, I’d recommend going during the week if possible. However, if weekends are your only option, there are always campgrounds available.

Aislyn: Camping is definitely the way to go! Tim, what about you? Are there any American road trips you particularly enjoy?

Tim: From L.A., you can head out in various directions, but many routes lack scenic views. The drive to the desert is just a freeway, and the journey south to San Diego isn’t much better. Even going up to Yosemite has its drawbacks. However, the iconic Highway 1 along Big Sur is a must-do. My personal favorite is the 395 highway along the eastern side of the Sierra Nevada. It takes you from L.A. up to Mammoth Lakes, a stunning mountain town perfect for skiing in winter and lakeside fun in summer. Along the way, you pass charming towns like Bishop and Lone Pine, and the stunning Red Rock Canyon State Park, known for its dramatic red rock formations. There’s also Mono Lake, with its unique calcium carbonate spires rising from the water, offering a serene experience without the crowds.

It’s a fascinating route to explore. Speaking of timing, while we’re focused on summer travel, I always suggest taking a trip between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Most people are caught up in year-end activities during that time.

It can be tough to get away, but in my experience, it feels like no one else is traveling then, making it a great opportunity.

Aislyn: That’s interesting! I’ve always thought of that period as one to avoid, but it sounds like a solid tip.

Mark: It’s truly one of the best times to travel. Art Basel was strategically scheduled in Miami Beach in early December to liven up a typically slow travel season. This time is also among the cheapest for visiting Vegas, which is one of my all-time favorite destinations. If you’re looking for a budget-friendly trip to Vegas, aim for the period between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

It’s a fantastic deal! Many people overlook the fact that taking a vacation during this off-peak time is an option. It’s quite silly, really.

Tim: Exactly! One year, we visited Aspen, and the slopes were nearly deserted. Last year, we were in Fiji and found ourselves in a quiet spot with hardly anyone around. Sure, it’s tough to carve out time during this busy season, but it’s definitely worthwhile.

Chloe: Right? That’s probably why it’s so affordable. Everyone is bracing themselves for the impending holiday chaos. But I’m always eager to chat about Las Vegas; I adore that city too.

Aislyn: But not during the summer, right? We’re not—

Mark: Honestly, I’d even consider visiting in the summer. The dry heat in Vegas is manageable for me—being British, I can’t stand humid conditions. Plus, you spend most of your time indoors anyway. I just wish I could bottle up the essence of Vegas and carry it with me; it feels like my true home.

Tim: It’s a lovely road trip from L.A. The landscape shifts dramatically as you gain elevation and pass by massive solar farms. Many people opt for a quick flight, but it’s only about a five-hour drive, which isn’t too bad.

Aislyn: And you’ve done the electric vehicle road trip to L.A. or Vegas, right?

Tim: Yes, I did it in an EV, specifically a Polestar 2. It took about the same time as flying when you factor in airport wait times. I spent roughly 45 minutes charging on the way there and around two hours on the return trip. Overall, it only cost me about 18 bucks!

Aislyn: Oh wow! Would you do that again in an EV?

Tim: Sure, I might not take the kids, but I’d definitely go myself!

Aislyn: Do you think Vegas is cheaper during the summer? You mentioned it being an affordable time—are there good deals to be found?

Mark: The issue with Vegas in summer is the influx of European tourists. You know those places we think of as off-season? The British love flying Virgin or BA to Vegas, and those flights are always packed.

It’s funny how places we consider ‘not summer destinations’ become hot spots for Europeans. They’ll think, ‘Mexico in July? Fantastic!’ or ‘Vegas in July?’ and fill those planes. So, it’s not as affordable as you might expect in July.

Chloe: Right? I figured it would always be busy with all the pool parties happening.

Mark: It’s packed with British tourists who don’t mind roasting under the sun in Vegas during July.

Chloe: Right? They’ve got Steve Aoki performing right there—why would they care about sunburn?

Aislyn: To reach any of these destinations, we’ll need to fly. And as you mentioned earlier, Chloe, flying has become quite the challenge lately. Do you have any advice for travelers looking to fly this summer?

Chloe: Regarding Tim’s earlier point about timing, choosing the right flight times can really help you save. Opting for late-night or early-morning flights might seem unappealing, but it can be worth it to avoid crowds and snag better prices. That’s a tip I swear by all year round. I’m used to those odd flight hours, but I view them as bursts of energy—something fresh to keep things exciting.

Mark: To build on what Chloe said, if you’re heading to Europe and want to find a better fare, take advantage of Google Flights’ feature that not everyone utilizes effectively. You can enter your home airport and simply put “Europe” as your destination.

It will display all nonstop or connecting flights to various European cities, allowing you to find the cheapest hubs to fly into. Plus, Europe is full of budget airlines, so once you've identified your destination, explore the affordable short-haul options available.

If you’re concerned about prices, using your home airport with Europe as the destination can help you spot price drops you might take advantage of.

Tim: So if we tried that right now, where would the budget-friendly spots be? Do those change frequently?

Mark: Generally, the U.K. tends to be the most affordable option due to its high volume of transatlantic flights.

Additionally, London has two airports, as Tim knows. Heathrow is the well-known one, while Gatwick often feels like the underdog that comes in at the last minute in a sitcom to save the day. They’re really working on becoming a more prominent long-haul hub. Many budget flights operate from Gatwick, and you’ll notice more affordable options to Gatwick from the U.S. JetBlue and Delta both serve Gatwick with competitive pricing, so that’s worth considering.

Chloe: Especially with airlines like TAP Air Portugal, which offer stopovers in cities like Lisbon or Porto. Make the most of those options if your airline provides them.

Mark: I’d like to share two tips. First, it's a smart move to place an Air Tag in your luggage. Pack a swimsuit, underwear, and a T-shirt in your carry-on just in case. If you check a bag, make sure it has an Air Tag. It’s not just a techy gimmick—it’s effective. Also, consider downloading a fantastic flight tracking app called Flighty.

You can try it for free, but I pay $50 annually. The airline apps don’t deliver quick information, but Flighty is designed for speed, providing updates faster than any other source. The goal is to be the first to know if there’s an issue so you can get rebooked promptly. Flighty has never let me down—it always alerts me before anyone else does.

Aislyn: That sounds great! Does anyone here use the Hopper app for booking or tracking flights?

Mark: Should we be using it? What makes it stand out? Now I’m curious—

Aislyn: You can enter your travel dates, like I did for my August trip to Colorado for a conference. The app will advise you on whether to wait or buy, and it alerts you when prices drop. It also offers a range of hotels and discounts, all for free!

Chloe: In your experience, does it really work well?

Aislyn: Absolutely! I tend to plan six to eight months ahead, so I appreciate not having to obsess over flights constantly. The app predicts whether prices will rise or fall, which is super helpful.

Another tip from my mom, who was a flight attendant, is to always aim for the first flight out. Delays and issues tend to snowball as the day progresses, so early flights are usually more reliable. I’m not a fan of 6:00 a.m. flights, but they can save you a lot of headaches!

Tim: With the potential chaos of summer travel, ensure your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry is current, or get them if you don’t have them yet. After a hectic experience in New Orleans last year, I finally got Global Entry. There was a long wait for the interview, but I used an app called Appointment Scanner that notified me when slots opened up. I ended up snagging a next-day appointment at LAX. Definitely check it out if you're waiting a long time for Global Entry!

Aislyn: That sounds great! Definitely get that TSA PreCheck. Tim, do you have any other tips for summer flying?

Tim: Just bring a book. You never know how things might turn out!

Mark: Speaking of weather, this is something to consider all year long. If you have a connecting flight, pay attention to where that connection is. For instance, if you’re connecting in Chicago in January, you’re more likely to face weather issues compared to a connection in Atlanta during the same month.

On the flip side, connecting in the hurricane belt in August or September poses more risks than connecting in Chicago. Weather is a crucial factor. This reliability is one reason Middle Eastern airlines have thrived; their hubs often have dependable weather, minimizing delays. Keep this in mind when booking connecting flights—it can make a real difference.

Tim: I recently came across a company called Sensible Weather, which labels itself as a climate risk tech firm. They offer guarantees if weather impacts your trip. They’re collaborating with places like Auto Camp Collective retreats, so we might see more of this kind of service in the future.

Mark: Essentially, it's insurance for unpredictable weather. You know those folks who complain about their trip, saying, 'This was terrible'? They go to the GM and demand, 'Fix the weather.'

Tim: It’s more about cancellations than just being unhappy because it’s raining when you arrive.

Mark: Imagine asking for a refund just because you dislike the weather! That would be absurd—

Aislyn: That kind of business wouldn’t last long. Speaking of deals, are there any other summer offers you’d suggest or have come across?

Mark: The main point is that for deals, especially flight deals, you need to rethink your approach.

People tend to fixate on finding cheap flights but overlook the bigger picture of the overall trip cost. Don’t view your flight as a separate expense; consider it part of your entire vacation budget. If you're concerned about prices, consider traveling overseas where the dollar is exceptionally strong.

The dollar is robust against the Turkish lira, though the political climate in Turkey is quite unpredictable, making it a tricky choice. It’s also strong against the euro and notably powerful against the yen. Avoid Tokyo in July due to its wet, muggy weather; however, August and September are more pleasant. Remember, if you spend more on your flight, you can balance that out if you land in a place where your dollar stretches further. So instead of just hunting for flight deals, consider that perspective.

Chloe: When thinking about summer deals, it’s important to focus on destinations, as Mark suggested, and to consider the total cost involved.

Last August, I found Colombia to be a fantastic destination, especially for those wanting to travel abroad. You don’t need to head to Europe for beautiful beaches—Latin America has many stunning options. For instance, I visited the Rosario Islands near Cartagena, which were breathtaking. While many tourists take day trips and return, I chose to stay a couple of nights, enjoying the peacefulness with just my friends on a long stretch of sand, all without spending a fortune.

So, I recommend re-evaluating your destination choices. What kind of experience do you desire, and is this the only location that offers it?

Aislyn: I love that mindset, not just for last-minute trips but for travel as a whole. Speaking of beaches, we should dive deeper into that topic since they are such a quintessential summer experience.

Mark, since you're currently in Todos Santos, do you have any beach destinations you’d recommend for the summer?

Mark: Absolutely, I’d recommend Todos Santos where I am right now. However, keep in mind that many resorts here are adults-only due to potentially dangerous riptides for young children. It’s crucial to check the family-friendliness of beach waters, especially when traveling with kids, as this can greatly affect your peace of mind.

As a child, I spent my summers on the Tuscan coast in Italy, which features expansive beaches comparable to those in Jersey. With vast stretches of golden sand and private beach clubs, it’s not the cheapest option, but everything is well-maintained.

These clubs offer facilities like clean bathrooms and espresso, and they are very family-oriented. Younger kids can enjoy kids’ clubs, while teens can play ping-pong with local kids. The Tuscan coast is often overlooked because many flock to the pebbly beaches of Amalfi. If I had to recommend a Mediterranean beach, it would definitely be there.

Chloe: Pebbles are definitely overrated. I hear you.

Mark: Exactly! Who can actually build a sandcastle with pebbles? When you're at the beach, you want to be crafting a proper sandcastle.

Tim: That reminds me of the time I had to bury a friend at Brighton Beach—definitely not a pleasant memory with all those pebbles.

Aislyn: No, that sounds absolutely dreadful.

Mark: Did you even like this friend? It sounds more like something you’d do to someone you’re not keen on sticking around—

Tim: We were students, so, you know, student friendships and all that. Yeah.

Aislyn: Are you two still friends? That’s the real question.

Tim: No, we’re not. But that’s beside the point; it was ages ago. My favorite beach experience was in Fiji, specifically on the southern coast of Viti Levu, where I stayed at Nanuku Resort during that time between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The area is pretty undeveloped, with only a handful of hotels on that south coast. Nanuku has its own beach area, plus a plot of land that remains untouched. When you swim out and look back, all you see are trees—no umbrellas or crowds. There were only about four or five other guests during our stay on a 500-acre property, so it felt incredibly private—no boats or anything. Plus, there’s a reef right there for snorkeling and a private island you can visit by boat with another reef.

Mark: How did you get to Fiji, Tim? I think it’s a smart choice for those on the West Coast; it’s not as far for you guys as it is for us on the East. Was it an easy trip?

Aislyn: Fiji is about 19 or 20 hours ahead of L.A., right?

Tim: Exactly. It’s an overnight flight each way, so you arrive around the same time of day, which helps avoid jet lag, but you do lose a day in the process.

So, for instance, you might leave on a Tuesday and get there on a Thursday. When you return, you land on the same day after another overnight flight. I was gone for seven nights but only had five nights at the hotel. The overnight travel was a bit unfortunate, but the flight itself was straightforward—around 10 or 11 hours direct, plus a 2- or 3-hour car transfer once we arrived. It's not as simple as getting to Hawaii from the West Coast, but the area I visited is much less developed.

Aislyn: Definitely! I want to quickly mention that Olympic National Park in Washington is fantastic in the summer, with beautiful beaches. Neah Bay, at one of the northernmost points, is stunning and requires a trek to get there. A road trip through Olympic National Park followed by some beach time is just perfect.

Chloe: I bet the beaches there are stunning! For my pick, Puerto Rico is an incredible beach destination. However, the waters off San Juan can be quite rough, especially with riptides. What’s unique about Puerto Rico is that renting a car is essential for exploring the island. There are so many beautiful beaches along the north coast, like Luquillo, where the waves are gentle, and Rincon, known for its surfing—but that's more for the winter. In the summer, the waves are much calmer, which may disappoint surfers, but for someone like me who isn't great on a surfboard, it’s a delightful surprise to find families enjoying the beach instead of intense surf scenes.

Aislyn: Has anyone visited Tofino during the summer? I’m just curious. I know it’s a classic spot—I haven’t been there either, just throwing that out there.

Mark: Every time we think we’ve traveled enough, we discover new gaps. That’s part of the fun.

Aislyn: Absolutely, it’s part of the joy—maybe even most of it. We’ll never run out of places to explore. So, last question: for those procrastinators out there who find themselves in midsummer without a vacation booked, any tips for having an enjoyable and affordable summer getaway?

Chloe: Sure, I can kick things off as the go-to last-minute planner. The biggest factor is your mindset. Last-minute trips can be challenging, especially if you're dreaming of far-off places, but considering a road trip or something more accessible can really help. Slow travel can be a great alternative too.

When you're looking to plan a last-minute getaway, it can be overwhelming to create a complex itinerary. I’ve found it easier to pick a base location where you can launch multiple day trips. Choosing a closer destination usually means better deals if you're on a budget. So, my advice is to dial down the ambition and stay open to spontaneous opportunities. Mark might be thinking, 'Why spontaneity?' right now!

Mark: Just saying the word makes me anxious. When it comes to travel, I’m losing sleep over my summer plans not being organized. It's only three months away, and I just can't handle it.

Chloe: But that’s the nice thing about choosing a base location—you can think, 'Okay, maybe a day trip here or there.'

If you settle in one place with plenty to do, at least you can be confident that you’ll have a good time. That’s my tip for anyone else planning last-minute trips.

Aislyn: Love that!

Mark: It’s also about being both budget-conscious and flexible, which I think is the point you’re making, Chloe. You can’t be looking for the best deals and be rigid at the same time. If you want a bargain, there’s always something out there. But if you leave things to the last minute, you can’t expect to stay at a specific hotel in Rome on a particular date and insist on the lowest price. You need to adapt to where the deals are and embrace that.

Chloe: I think you’ve really captured it well. I can say that many great adventures have come from following the deals, but also some wild situations. So I will still—

Aislyn: That sounds like a topic for another podcast episode.

Chloe: Exactly! Just follow the deals.

Tim: If you’re putting things off, maybe stick closer to home. I mean, it’s easy for me to say since I’m in California, but—

Aislyn: I feel like you excel at planning local trips around California. Tim, you’re always discovering new spots. Any other favorites?

Tim: Oh, definitely! There are so many options. Santa Barbara is a lovely city, and inland you have the Santa Ynez wine region with charming towns like Los Olivos. I also adore Channel Islands National Park, just an hour off the coast from Ventura, and there are a couple of mountain towns like Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead. That's one of the great things about L.A.—there’s so much variety within a two or three-hour drive.

Mark, what do you think about traveling to a place that’s experiencing winter while we're in summer?

Mark: That’s an intriguing thought.

Tim: Yeah, do we have any destinations like that in our monthly roundups?

We do have Queenstown! I was just in New Zealand, where it was fall, and in July, Queenstown hosts a fantastic Maori festival. It's also a winter sports haven, so if you're in the South Island during July and August, it’s the peak season. While Queenstown can be a bit pricey, there are plenty of alternatives. I’m not the outdoorsy type, but if you are, New Zealand feels like a second home. Everyone there is eager to strap on crampons for a climb, while I’d rather sip a martini!

Chloe: Mark, we absolutely need to travel together! You’re totally speaking my language.

Mark: We'll enjoy a martini together. Just let me know when you're done with your walk, and I’ll mix up another martini to share when you return.

Aislyn: I think I’ll join you both! Is there anything else you’d like to share about summer travel?

Mark: Don’t let the challenges deter you. Sure, we’ve talked about the hassles and the rising costs with more people traveling, but once you arrive, you’ll forget all those worries. There will be a moment that makes you feel it was the best decision ever. So, don’t be discouraged by the daunting planning process. I hope we’ve inspired you as much as we’ve overwhelmed you. Every trip is worth it—absolutely every single one.

Aislyn: I completely agree with Mark. Don’t let the stress of planning or any logistical issues hold you back. This summer holds plenty of adventures—actually, as you listen to this, I might be sipping wine in eastern France! I’ll be sharing my experiences traveling along the Vallée de la Gastronomie on our sister podcast, Travel Tales by Dinogo. Season four premieres in September 2023, so be sure to follow for updates and catch up on past episodes—we’ll include the link in our show notes.

We touched on a lot in this episode, so we’ll also provide links to our essential tips for summer travel, along with various resources for finding flight deals, vacation rentals, and more.

Additionally, we’ll include links to Mark’s insights on destinations for July and August, as well as his comprehensive summer travel guides. For more from Mark, check out mark-ellwood.com or follow him on Instagram at @markellwood. You can also find Chloe on Instagram at @heychlokay and Tim at @timchester. Wishing you all happy summer adventures!